1. very nice- my only thought is limited available fire. . .2 shots before reloading? Still, a well thought out gun plan. . . and more for me to mull over. . .

  2. There is an old saying that a pistol will protect your person and a rifle will protect your freedom. The reason behind this is that rifles project force over a greater distance. To my way of thinking, the shotgun lies closer to the pistol in that continuum. Rifles, shotguns, and pistols all have their uses but I would rather deal with a threat a thousand yards away than at 60.

    My thoughts,
    Panhandle Rancher

  3. I thought I posted this the other day, but I am not seeing it in the comments. Perhaps I typed it on the ReThinkSurvival site and those remarks did not carry over. Oh well, here we go:
    While I concur that the shotgun is the best all around survival weapon, I would not choose and over/under model in that the individual is limited to only 2 shots. I think a pump or semi-automatic, especially with and extended magazine tube, is the most versatile SHTF weapon. I would follow with my top 5 guns in a TEOTWAWKI arsenal: 1)Shotgun (.12 or .20 GA, to tolerance). 2) .22 LR (Ruger 10/22 or Marlin 60). 3) Handgun (.357 MAG – rural, .45 ACP – urban). 4) Modern Sporting Rifle in .223/5.56mm (M4/AR-15/Mini-14). 5) Bolt or Lever Action in .308 WIN, 30-06, 30-30.

  4. Nice ShotGun ! but the Ultimate OGO as you put it would have to be the Weapon found at this link !

    I beleive this is the Ultimate Weapon, & you’ll see why close to the end of the video it still Fires after being submerged in Water.


  5. Good post. I also prefer the pump. You can reload while still in battery. If you have to break it down and adversary knows your vulnerable. I wonder, is there much cost difference between a pump and over under? All else the same, brand, quality level, pretty close I would guess. Not being critical, you have a valid argument. Just my preference.

  6. Presumably, you live in neither the US or Mexico, as shooting crows for ANY reason is a serious federal offense. Around 1971, the Nixon administration signed the Migratory Bird Treaty with our smiling EBT card-using friends from south of the border. Mexico, unlike the US, doesn’t protect endangered “species” they protect the entire Family to which the “endangered” type belongs. In this case, it’s a type of bluejay. Bluejays belong to the family Corvidae–the same to which crows and ravens belong. The US imprisons people caught violating this law. Beware…

    • Leonard-

      Check the laws. Crows can be blasted anytime of the year in most states. Crow calls sell big up in New Hampshire and crows can be difficult to call in out in the country when they are not used to people.

      Nasty creatures.


  7. Why an O/U instead of a pump gun? Especially given that the stated goal is defensive I think that choice is less than ideal. A quick look a prices says this bird gun with a couple rails slapped on costs as much if not more than a quality pump shotgun.

    Pump gun wins hands down.

  8. Great post and 100 % agree… I have killed a few rather angry and cantankerous charging bears with 1.5 ounce rifled slugs from a REM 870. They work very well!

    What’s with the green “Z”??? Personal logo or a “zombie killing” designation???

  9. If this was a Mossberg pump gun gun I would say “way to go!”. But 2 shots is a little dicey, I think. Your idea is well thought out in all respects except the choice of gun. Then too, people laugh at my Winchester Model 1897, which is a “parts clean up gun”, made in 1954 when Winchester stopped production of the ’97. That is, until they see how fast it actually can be fired. The trigger design is such that as long as the trigger is held back, the gun fires when the forearm completes it’s forward movement, hence the term “slam-fire”. Just jack away and it’ll fire 5 rounds in about 4 seconds. Something I did not know until recently is that when the gun is loaded with a round in the chamber, the forearm arm has to be pushed forward until a slight click is heard, which is the release of some part that blocks the trigger. I’ve never had it apart-I’m told it has about 300 (???) parts and is a gunsmiths nightmare. I don’t know if that is true or not, but it isn’t like any other shotgun I’ve owned-little bitty parts all over the place from what I can see. Interestingly enough, Norinco, the big Chinese gun maker, offers it for sale in exactly the same configuration, slam fire and all. True?? I don’t know for certain.

    The only good use I’ve ever heard for an over and under is that in Viet Nam a lot of operators liked to carry 2 Ruger 20 guage shotguns with the barrels cut down to 9 nine inches. His words were that “it made a nasty mess” with anything you put in it. That was a new one to me-over and unders carried as pistols, but they are the pro’s, so who am I to argue?


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