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What do you think? Kel Tec PMR-30 .22 Magnum

Years ago I owned an AMT AUTOMAG II .22 Magnum semi-auto pistol. I found the AUTOMAG to be a nice pistol – problem was it was just not very reliable. I loved the muzzle flash of the .22 Magnum at night – simply awesome!

PMR-30, .22 Magnum, Kel-Tec

Kel-Tec introduced the PMR-30 early this year. Like the AUTOMAG II – a semi-auto .22 Magnum fed from a magazine. I have yet to actually see one of these pistols and from what I hear – they are hard to come buy.

I find the PMR an intriguing firearm. The .22 Magnum is by no means a hunting cartridge – but certainly packs more punch than its little brother the .22LR. As the ad below suggests – I think the PMR-30 might do well thrown in a backpack or bug-out bag.  30  rounds of .22 Magnum in a single magazine and weighing in at less than 20 ounces – that is a lot of firepower and not a lot of weight.

backpack pistol, survival pistol, PMR

 As I mentioned earlier I have never seen one of these as my local gun shop. They are not the most customer friendly but I am going to inquire if they have ever had one and what the cost would be to order one. On Gunbroker.com they are selling for around $500 although the suggested retail is supposed to be lower.

 Here is a YouTube video I found showing some rapid firing of the PMR-30: 

 The PMR-30 has a picatinny rail for mounting a light – which I find a useful option on just about any firearm. Just think – if you have one loaded magazine in the gun, and 2 on your side in a magazine pouch – that is almost 100 rounds before you are empty.

I am getting more intersted the more I type.

Anyone have any experience with the Kel-Tec PMR-30?

Rourke

24 comments to What do you think? Kel Tec PMR-30 .22 Magnum

  • PFULMTL

    with all KelTec guns, it looks like it would break real easily. I see it costs about $320, which isnt bad at all. I wouldnt mind tossing this in the backpack with a few mags.
    The grip reminds me of a waffle.

  • GypsySixx

    Very Interesting . I would like to take a closer look. Thats a lot of fire power in a little package. Bug out bag worthy for sure. Thanks for posting it up . GypsySixx

  • Rourke

    PFULMTL –

    Yea – I thought the same thing about the grips. If they are a little too slippery you could pour a little maple syrup o them!

    Rourke

  • BePrepared

    Kel-Tec has been taking some serious heat from everyone who wants one of these things… just where are they?

    Kel-Tec responded: http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/pmr-30-status-update-statement

    PMR-30 Status Update Statement
    10-18-2010
    There has been a lot of discussion on just what the heck the hold up is on the PMR-30. We have made a few statements on our Facebook page, but obviously that only addresses a small minority of our customers.

    The PMR-30 was originally debuted at the 2010 SHOT in January of 2010. At that time we had several working prototypes, all of which were machined by hand one at a time. At SHOT we estimated a Q2 release on the PMR-30. This estimate was based on a variety of factors: lead time on material, tooling, operator’s learning the parts, and post importantly the time it would take to translate the prototype design into full production programs. We honestly felt that Q2 would be a fairly easy target.

    Sadly, we underestimated the time it would take for us to get the production programming in place to run the PMR-30 at 500/week. Two months before our slated release, we saw that we most likely wouldn’t get this pistol into full production by then. This is when we had to make an executive decision. We could either push back the release date until October/November, which we felt would anger and frustrate quite a lot of customers, or we could scramble and release the PMR-30 to the public in Q2 at limited production and just ship as many as we could until production finally got everything settled.

    Obviously we chose the latter. This turned out to also spurn a lot of negativity as we certainly looked like liars for not getting the PMR-30 out on time, and also created a lot of frustration as PMR-30s were being shipped in small quantities, some of which showed up on places like gunbroker.com. This made it seem like the PMR-30 was available and at the same time impossible to get, which I suppose isn’t too far from the truth.

    We take completely responsibility for the PMR-30 not being as available as we wanted it to be, but it was either let a few people get them, or let no one get them. We are still evaluating whether or not we made the right choice.

    Since that July release, we’ve slowly increased production from about 25/week to 150-250/week. It is still not at the quantities we need them to be, but that will come with time. In an ideal world we would have set the release at the end of October/early November and all of the production work going on would be done behind closed doors so to speak. We are reaping what we sowed, but are confident in our PMR-30 and production is confident we will be seeing full production numbers by that late October/early November time frame. We’re already half-way there!

    It should also be noted that the limited production is in no way related to any functional problems with the firearm and more based on efficient CNC programming to machine enough parts to create 500 PMR-30s every week in addition to the rest of our product line. It’s a kind of balancing act.

    We sincerely apologize for everyone who has been patient with us so far. We definitely understand the frustration and experience it just as much. We gain no benefit from keeping our customers from getting our products, so rest assured that we are doing everything in our power to get these great pistols to you!

    All future product releases will reflect what we’ve learned through the PMR-30 release.

  • MadWax

    I have two of these guns. The grip is excellent. Minimal muzzle flash. Great sights. Paid 330 each after a 30 day wait by my local dealer to locate them.

  • JP in MT

    I just know I want one! If it doesn’t work out, it wouldn’t be the 1st one that I sold shortly after purchasing it.

  • Patriot One

    I actually own some Kel Tec’s. The main reason I bought the P3AT for a primary backup is because they are cheap and light. When I bought mine it was about $189 so I really didn’t care if I forgot it in my pocket and went in the ocean. After almost 3 years and more then a few swims in the ocean it still runs without a jam.

    The trigger pull is a bit heavy but that’s the only safety the gun has. The only compliant I have is that they do have some sharp edges and must be charged smartly to prevent the first round from jamming. I’ve run about 600 rounds thru in rapid fire CQD training with out a firing jam.

    If the PMR-30 is anything like my Kel Tec’s its Cheap, Reliable and Light. What could be wrong with that? Oh did is mention that they a made in the USA, right here in Florida.

  • Mike P

    Holy cow I want one!

    I wonder how good it would be as a defense weapon though. Is it too small to be useful in a defense situation?

  • Mike P

    PFULMTL –

    Where did you see it for $320? . . . That’s not a bad price.

  • carl

    If I had some bucks looking for a home I might get one, But I don’t. I also like to have armor and rounds that re-loadable, just a matter of future viability. I think 22 magnum is rimfire. So I would pass. I am thinking about the .30 carbine from Rugar. I had one years ago. A great revolver.

    Thanks for the info though..

    Carl

  • william

    i’m leery until first hand reports come in via “the high road”. the 22 magnum has a loooong case that would seem hard to extract.

    ruger pulled their magnum rifle years back and gave everyone a refund cause they just could not get it to eject reliably……..and ruger engineers are some of the best in the business.

    also, keltecs usually need a “fluff and buff ” to them to work properly. that does not inspire confidence in me!

    Bill

  • Rourke

    William –

    Hopefully the PMR will be different and work reliably.

    Rourke

  • Rourke

    Carl –

    The .22 magnum is a rimfire. Wish I had some bucks looking for a home as well.

    Rourke

  • Rourke

    Mike P –

    30 rounds of .22 Magnum are certainly better than no rounds at all. The cartridge is much more powerful than a .22LR – but it is not a “defensive” cartridge like a 9mm or 45ACP. That doesn’t mean you could not use it to defend yourself.

    Any weapon that is reliable and you feel comfortable shooting is better than no weapon in my book.

    Rourke

  • Rourke

    BePrepared –

    Thanks for the info. I am going to stop by my local dealer on my way home from work today and ask about how difficult it will be to get one and the cost.

    Thanks – Rourke

  • Dee

    The video is amazing however, wish we could see his target. Think I’d like to trade my PLR-16 for one.
    Best price I found was $539.

  • Patriot One

    The MSRP is only $415 on the http://www.keltecweapons.com site but they a much cheaper retail. Kel Tech is like Glock was in the late 70’s, no one wanted the plastic. They have a bunch of cheap toys from .22LR to 7.62×51
    If I couldn’t afford the POF AR or the Springfield M1A, I would have the KelTec. Think of it this way you could have 4 or 5 KelTec’s for the price of 1 Springfield M21 or SOCOM II.

  • Six

    This is next on my list Rourke. I’ve done my homework and everything I’ve read so far is positive though the grip is supposed to take a little getting used to. For a BOB I think it’s pretty hard to beat and when combined with a .22 Mag rifle you can handle most of what you need. You could carry near enough to a lifetimes worth of ammunition in a backpack.

  • sdawgarmy

    Just a heads up accrording to Kel Tec reps a .22lr version is in the works! Nutnfancy vid at shot show as source. Im waitin for that version.

  • Rourke

    sdawgarmy –

    Thanks for the tip.

    Rourke

  • Frank

    I have shot the PMR-30 and its not a bad little gun it jams sometimes. I think the jamming is a magazine and cleaning problem. The way the 22 mag ammo stacks into the magazine is why I had those jams. As for keeping it clean its a 22 rimfire so you have to live with that issue. The pluses of the gun is the light weight and the trigger pull are great. I would not carry it for defence but for the range and target shooting its fine.

  • Frank N

    I dropped by my favorite gun shop one day and they had one of these left and I purchased it on a whim. I have a Kel-Tec P3AT and liked it and I figured it was worth $350 to try it out. I took it home and shot it without lube or cleaning and it jammed like crazy. I was beginning to think I made a mistake but figured I would read the :manual and clean it. I field stripped it and lubed it real good and carefully loaded the mag to full capacity. I haven’t had a jam since. After 100 rounds I decided I would strip it down and do the fluff and buff like I did on the 380. I have about 500 rounds through it now and I am totally comfortable with the reliability of the gun now. Wish it had a way to mount a red dot or had a rear adjustable sight. Mine shoots a little high at less than 100 ft but it is consistent. Also the 22mag has plenty of power as a survival gun or self defense on the trail. I cant imagine any man or beast continuing to charge at you with 30 rounds zipping out of this gun. Follow up shots are easy thanks to the light trigger and low recoil. Also the 22 mag is much more reliable and weather resistant than the 22lr. I accidentally ran 5 rounds in my pants pocket through the washing machine and dryer and all fired flawlessly. Fun gun but too expensive to shoot like a 22lr, not much cheaper than a 9mm.

  • Homma762

    There us one glaring problem with 22WMR pistols. Short barrels kill your velocity. From a pistol length barrel you are just shooting loud expensive 22lr. I wish it wasn’t so, I would buy one in a minute, but you lose sooo much energy. If I could get 22 mag rifle performance from a pistol it would be a bad mamajama.