PART 3: Vet Antibiotics versus Human Antibiotics – Cost and more…..

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In Part 1 antibiotics meant for fish were discussed as a source for human use after TSHTF. In Part 2 a source to legally obtain antibiotics meant for human consumption was looked at. Here in Part 3 a cost comparison is performed as well as some additional information on whether vet and human antibiotics may be the same.


Cost Comparison

For a cost comparison I am going to compare purchasing the same antibiotics from SurvivingHealthy.com and Amazon.com. SurvivingHealthy.com offers a couple of different packages. For this effort – let’s take a look at the Basic Package.

– – SurvivingHealthy.com Basic Package : Includes complete treatment for multiple infections with complete instructions included. Antibiotics included: penicillin, amoxicillin, doxycycline, cephalexin, sulfa.

Total cost – $119.99

 

– – Purchasing the same antibiotics through Amazon breaks down as follows:

Penicillin Tablets – 500mg – 30 tablets

Amoxicillin 500mg – 50 capsules

Doxycycline  100mg – 100 tablets

Cephalexin 500mg – 100 capsules

Sulfa 960mg – 60 tablets

Total cost – $116.00

As one can see – very little cost difference. The total quantity of meds obtained from Amazon surely is larger and that can be taken into consideration. For me – I am going the route of SurvivingHealthy.com to be able to put back some antibiotics “just in case”. With the little cost difference as well as the usage guidelines provided with each order – I feel very comfortable with this decision.

This is a decision that I have made for myself and my family.


For those choosing to store vet antibiotics…….

 

 I received the following comment from a reader………

Via Hector:

“I have been unable to find what I would be considered absolute factual information that leads me to believe that antibiotics meant for animal/fish use are EXACTLY the same as those prescribed for humans.”

 

If you believe the FDA as a factual source of information, see Section 206.10 of the CFR:

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?CFRPart=206&showFR=1

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Sec. 206.10 Code imprint required.

 

“(a) Unless exempted under 206.7, no drug product in solid oral dosage form may be introduced or delivered for introduction into interstate commerce unless it is clearly marked or imprinted with a code imprint that, in conjunction with the product’s size, shape, and color, permits the unique identification of the drug product and the manufacturer or distributor of the product. “

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Then go to http://aquaticpharmacy.com/eShop.php and see the imprints for the drugs.

 

Then, noting the imprints on the antibiotics above, go to http://www.drugs.com/pill_identification.html and find out what they are.

 

If still not convinced, find the manufacturer of that antibiotic from the drugs.com info and research/write/call them to inquire about their “fish” drugs, and you’ll find they don’t manufacture “fish” or “veterinary” drugs – just human drugs.

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Based on Hector’s recommendations – I decided to give it a try.

I visited Aquaticpharmacy.com and found aquatic Amoxicillin. See picture below:

 

Next – I visited Drugs.com and found the reference for Amoxicillin. What I found was that the capsules pictured at both sites matched. It appears that both drugs are identical. Now, are they? To know that for sure that would require a chemical analysis.

Regardless – this is information that can be used when considering whether or not to purchase antibiotics from any source.

Thanks Hector for the information.


You have antibiotics…..now what?

Should a source for antibiotics be decided, purchased ad stored away – what will you do after TSHTF and they are needed? Well, if you purchased antibiotics from SurvivingHealthy.com you will have much of the information you need. If the decision was to obtain antibiotics elsewhere – you may not be so lucky.

One source I have found on antibiotics and their usage is a book called Where There Is No Doctor. Chapter 7 discusses what antibiotics are and then in the GREEN PAGES there is a large list of antibiotics and detailed instructions on usage. Where There Is No Doctor is an excellent resource in any survival and preparedness library.

No doubt there are other resources to obtain information.


To sum it up – in a TEOTWAWKI situation where medical services are nonexistent, being able to care for yourself and loved ones with antibiotics if necessary is a serious and crucial matter.

As always – prepare now while you still can.

Rourke


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10 Comments

  1. Tell me if this sounds crazy. I think we all have imagined what we would do if there was ever a true SHTF situation. We all have seen this before on the news or in movies where mobs flood the local Walmart or grocery stores to stock up on supplies. I’ve always jokingly said the first place I would be raiding would be the pharmacies. I wonder what kind of trade value some good narcotics, antibiotics, etc would be compared to food and everyday household items?

    • Bob –

      I think that is a rather harsh response to his comment – but I will give it to you. I hope Todd is sincere that he is joking about “raiding” anything. That certainly will be a problem should TSHTF and depending upon the situation will stay far away from any store or pharmacy.

      Rourke

  2. Bob, I think he only meant in terms of trade/barter. As for me, medical supplies would be the last thing I would trade. In a true SHTF situation, there would be no price high enough for antibiotics. My family’s potential needs would come first.

  3. Hi Rourke,

    I think a great follow up article for this, if you can find the information, would be shelf life of each of these products. Definitely needed information before making any purchases.

    Thanks,

    Kang

  4. Rourke,

    Great post. Lots of research all in one place. I may borrow some of this in the near future. Seems that this has been a topic of great concern in our circle. I’d like to offer one additional resource that I found very informative as well.

    http://armageddonmedicine.net/

    You are probably already familiar with this site but she provides some good info on antibiotics, how to get a doctor to help you, and the veterinary equivalents.

    In Liberty,
    Zoomie

  5. Rourke-

    The cost-comparison is deeply flawed: The amounts of pills you get from Dr. Bob at Living Healthy are only enough for 1 course of each medicine (i.e., Typically between 15-30 pills each medicine).

    But for the same money, you get between 50-100 pills on Amazon.com.

    I know because I compared before I bought.

    To get the same amount of pills you get from Amazon, you woulf pay WAY WAY more from Living Healthy/Dr. Bob.

    Look it up yourself.

    • sspxer –

      As I stated – “The total quantity of meds obtained from Amazon surely is larger and that can be taken into consideration.”.

      What I was doing and could have spelled it out more precisely was look at the cost of obtaining antibiotics…period. These are but two sources and there are many more.

      Take care –

      Rourke

  6. No problem Rourke, like the site and glad to lend some info.

    Been buying and restocking these antibiotics since 1999. Both Thomas Laboratories (the distributor of the ones from Amazon) and DAVA Pharmaceuticals (the manufacturer of the amoxicillin capsule “WC 730”) have been around and selling them that long. I trust them because I can’t find any reason I shouldn’t, and I’ve tried. If they are illegally marketing and selling these, they’ve been doing it a long time. If anyone has any information, beyond just an opinion, that these aren’t what they claim to be I would be very interested in reading it.

    On the shelf-life question, the FDA/DoD put together a Shelf Life Extension Program that tests medications to determine how long they remain safe and effective in storage. Looks like the full document may have been pulled from the web, but here’s an intro: https://slep.dmsbfda.army.mil/slep/slep_info_paper.doc

    The 7-year shelf-life of doxycycline referenced in the doc is significant (I think) since it’s widely assumed that the tetracycline class of antibiotics (of which doxy is one) has the shortest shelf life of any oral antibiotic, and may turn toxic with age. I say “may turn toxic” because if you dig past the heresay, there’s only been a couple cases reported (many years ago), it was with tetracycline manufactured using a different process than is currently used, and it’s never been reported with doxycycline. For cipro, it was safe and effective for 10 years. So, just to be safe, I figure 5 years for any tetracyclines, and 7 years for any others – unopened and stored in a cool, dry, dark place. I’ll try to locate a copy of the full doc and upload/link to it, it’s stored on DVD/CD somewhere.

    Might also consider adding metronidazole to the list too.

  7. I take amoxicillin for Lyme disease. I purchased fish mox to bridge the inevitable gaps between prescriptions when I run out. Specifically “fix mox forte”, http://theprepperpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/fish-mox-forte-167×300.jpg . I can tell easily when amoxicillin doesn’t work, because I feel horrible Lyme symptoms when it doesn’t work. FISH MOX FORTE DOESN’T WORK. At all. I don’t think there’s any amoxicillin in there, or very little, or it’s too old.

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